NOTES FROM MEETING WITH TOWN HALL’s LAWYER – 4/4/2013

Tomas said he could help us with advice but could not take action on our behalf.

Members should be aware that in their dealings with Masa, caution should be exercised. Tomas has stated that members must be made aware that although not illegal, it is most unusual for the same lawyer to act for both Masa and the client. Members do have a choice on whether they go with Masa´s lawyer or appoint their own. He went on to say that you must use Masa´s lawyer for the escritura but have a free choice to use another for the embargo situation. I assured him that was the advice I had given members from day 1.

If Masa refuse to issue an escritura to anyone they have a legal right to it and can force them to comply through legal channels.

Tomas was adamant that Masa must pay their fines but this would not hold up division of plots on the affected poligono´s enabling escrituras to be issued.

There is also no connection between the fine being paid and individual building licences being issued.

On the question of whether Masa had built to the original plan parcial in regard to D23 &32 I raised the point that  Blaya Blaya had stated that too many properties had been built on D23 but not enough on D32. Masa had modified the plans without approval. Tomas stated that it was now irrelevant as the plan parcial is going to be amended to show what is here now. The plan parcial will be modified in September at the same time as the Plan General is presented to Murcia, the Plan General being for all the amendments and modifications for the whole municipality of Mazarron.

Approval of the Plan General  by Murcia can take up to 2 years and will include the system of management for Camposol, whether it is by the residents or the council.

Once this is approved, Certificates of Habitation can be issued and the final completion of Camposol can take place.

Previous promises made by individual councillors were made on the assumption of complete co-operation from Masa which had not been forthcoming.

The subject of extensions/pools/ wall extensions was raised as licences have not been issued for some considerable time. Tomas has stated that if you can prove the works were carried out more than 4 years ago the council will approve them and not fine the individual. Works carried out in the last 4 years will require licences and providing the extensions do not exceed  5%  of the plot size should be approved. As an example, on a 400 sq mtr plot any extension must not exceed 20 sq mtrs.

Touristico properties were discussed but at present the council are not in a position to make a decision on them. It may be possible to allocate the touristico quota to unbuilt poligonos but no decision has been reached yet. Technically you should apply for a licence to operate a business at the address but Tomas´s view is that it is extremely unlikely anyone would do anything about it. Tomas was also of the view that there could be a case of fraud against the selling agent. There are no grounds for a case against Masa as they had listed all these properties correctly as touristico on the plans.

All in all a good meeting with the lawyer who has explained everything quite clearly and cleared up some miss conceptions.

Camposol Residents Association Meeting Minutes

Meeting Date 20^th February 2013

Meeting Location Town Hall

Council Present Gines Campillo Mayor of Mazarron

Officers Present

Vice Chairman Les Crook

Secretary Andy Coombs

District Mayor of Saladillo Jose Navarro

Committee  Present Maite Gomez

Apologies for Absence Bob Owen / Peter Pitt / Bridget Stuart / Sandy Allison / Jackie Drewe

The meeting commenced at 09-15  Mayor Gines Campillo , although the date was set at the last meeting at the town hall, the Mayor explained it had not been put in the official diary hence he had a further meeting to attend shortly. LC explained to the Mayor that Bob Owen was on holiday and that he was acting Chairman of the CRA on this occasion.  The Mayor immediately advised that the meeting would have to be short as he had a pre arranged meeting to attend with the CHS  (Confederacion Hidrografica del Segura)  and he was confident of some forthcoming  good news coming from this.

Rambla GC stated this situation is ongoing, awaiting the result of the meeting above

Aqualia GC stated that an agreement had finally been reached and that he was due to sign with them later today.  This agreement was with regards to the contract of supply, the recommencement of billing residents of Camposol. This should now commence within 2-3 weeks. The agreement was also regarding the much needed repairs to the water supply system and completion of repair works, however this could be up to 4 months before it begins.

Embargo Situation LC and JN commented at the unease of this situation and its complexity, GC stated that although the matter was between the individual property owners and Masa, he was aware of the situation and the Council and its Legal department would offer any support they could.

Adoption Between JN and GC this item was discussed and although it is a very complex situation it is being dealt with in stages, but will take time. The Council became the “Urbanisor” a while back when the previous administration had the title removed from Masa, however the continuing “adoption” of the infrastructure could still be pending legal action against Masa, an option that the Council GC stated was now seriously considering. GC stated there is no short term remedy without the required finance, hence the consideration of this action. LC commented that he was concerned as this was just looking like another delay tactic by the council, although accepted that it was all down to financial resources at the end of the day.

Mayor of Saladillo LC stated to GC on behalf of the CRA and its members, the delight in the appointment of Jose Navarro as the new Mayor of El Saladillo, LC further stated that the CRA were confident that Jose would act in the best interest of El Saladillo and Camposol. It was further discussed that as Jose also had an ongoing involvement with the CRA and Camposol, that regular monthly meetings with the Council could now be replaced by regular contact between JN and GC and that the CRA meetings could now take place less frequently, this to be trialed to see how things evolve. MG stated that GC should remember he needs to be seen more at Camposol,  and be seen to be getting more involved.

Street Lighting LC commented how totally unacceptable the situation was with regards to the reinstatement of street lights. GC stated he was unaware of the reasons for the delay and would look into it immediately. LC stated about the increase of burglaries, GC commented that this was apparent throughout Mazarron, not just Camposol.

Ex Masa Compound B3 A discussion took place regarding the demolition order for the compound and reasons why it had not been instigated. JN had some documentation from the Town Hall and after the meeting went to another section of the Town Hall to get further documentation. It now appears that the Land this compound stands on was sold by Masa, so some of the procedures now need to be re issued. This matter will be dealt with by JN and a positive outcome is hoped for soon, as the structure was illegal and this was not in dispute.

Broken Sewers C16 This was briefly discussed and GC accepted there had been no further action since it was mentioned at a meeting on 19^th December 2012 GC promised to look into the situation immediately

Bridge Repair GC immediately stated that although the bridge was re opened, works were not complete and there was still much to do with regards to finishing. LC stated dismay at the time it had taken to undertake the repair and the much stress and inconvenience caused to residents and businesses over a period of 139 days it has taken to repair. GC stated that he was of the belief that the period taken was acceptable considering the legal status of the bridge existence. He stated that a technical project needed to be passed by the CHS before work could commence, he further explained that it was discovered that the CHS claimed they knew nothing about the bridge existence and that the delay was due to actually legalising the project. However GC went on to explain that the good result from all this is that the bridge repair contractor now had to warrant the bridge and that its continued safe condition would be the responsibility of this contractor.

GC stated that the whole situation had been very complex and another example of the lack of regulation in the past, however it is now fully legalised.

Situation General LC made a statement to GC that the current state of affairs with regards to embargos / bridge and access and the general unfinished state of the infrastructure was now starting to take its toll on the residents. Increasing numbers of are simply locking up and going back to their home country. This situation will undoubtedly have an adverse effect on businesses both in Camposol and the Mazarron area. After translation JN stated that the Mayor was saddened by this, but insisted that this Council was doing things properly and unfortunately this takes time.

10.00 Meeting closed due to the Mayors further commitments.

Present

Ginés Campillo                    Mayor of Mazarrón

David Fernández                  Councillor for Environment

Bob Owen                                  CRA Chairman

José Navarro                               CRA Secretary

Sandy Allison                              CRA Treasurer

Barrie Eveleigh                            CRA Press Secretary

Bridget Stuart                             CRA CLC member

Maite Gómez                               CRA CLC member

Apologies

Les Crook                                  CRA Vice Chairman

Jackie Drewe                               CRA Website & Membership Secretary

Peter Pitt                                   CRA PSC chairman

John Dawes                         CRA CLC member

Ernie Prior                                 CRA CLC member

The meeting started at 9:19 am.

RAMBLA/TOWN HALL/CONFEDERACIÓN HIDROGRÁFICA

JN started stating this meeting is mainly for analysing the Rambla de los Aznares situation in detail and to try to identify any possible solution or way forward for it.

GC stated that the Town Hall had presented several projects to the Confederación Hidrográfica del Segura (CHS) in order to be able to approve the amendment of the Plan Parcial.

CHS has rejected every project and it seems that they are not interested about how well the pipes under sector D works. They seem to be interested only about the public domain land that they have lost because of the urbanization.

To deviate the Rambla de los Aznares along the south of sector D will cost between 4 and 7 million euros.

The Town Hall can also apply for a process called “desafectación”, in which a public domain land is no longer considered public.

The proposal of the council is to build a reservoir for the security of Camposol and to give the CHS other plots of land in order to satisfy their claims of lost land.

GC stated this rambla issue is the biggest problem of Camposol in his opinion.
GC stated that last Thursday, as well as next week, he is having meetings with the CHS.

DF stated that Spanish laws about public domain are very strict and very  important.

MG asked if this law is that important and that strict why builders in Spain are constantly breaking it.

DF said that it is true that we live in a country where builders have done what they wanted to do without restrictions, but that this has to change.

GC stated he will meet tomorrow with the people in charge of composing the Plan General, as he thinks modifying the Plan General is the way forward to solve this issue, given that they were able to reach an agreement with the CHS.

When asked about dates and deadlines, GC stated that working with the CHS is very slow. As an example, they gave him the document about the illegality of the bridge only last Friday.

Anyway, he thinks this agreement will come in time for the Plan General, around September this year. But that is only for Council approval. Then the Plan General has to be approved by the Murcian government, that has 2 years to do it.

JN stated the CRA is going to ask for a meeting with the CHS with this information, and we have contacted Javier  López in the past.

GC advised us that he used to meet with José Carlos González, and that José Carlos has been always trying to be helpful.

EMBARGOES

JN explained the actions taken by the CRA since Paco García told us the Council is not able to help us. We have presented the best offer we could get to solve it, but our affected neighbours do not accept they have to pay for something that is not their fault.

GC stated that is not indeed the fault of the Town Hall, either.

JN explained that the affected neighbours are frustrated and animosity is growing because they feel the Town Hall is not helping them in this matter.

MG and BS explained that, even if this issue is not directly fault of the Town Hall, the neighbours feel that it is their duty of care to help them in this unfair situation.

JN also stated that a group of Camposolians is planning to organize a demonstration if the Town Hall refuses to help.

DF suggested they can ask their Legal Department in order to try to get another point of view of the issue, or even if the Town Hall can do something about it. It was agreed that they will do so.

GC also stated that the escrituras will be available only once the Plan General is approved by the Murcian Government.

ADOPTION

GC stated that in the next plenum they will approve their agreement with Aqualia regarding the payments for our water and for our rubbish collection. Once this is done another agreement will be made for Aqualia to fix all the water system of Camposol. He stated that this very afternoon he has a meeting with Aqualia to discuss the details of this agreement.

GC stated that before the total reception of an urbanization it is needed to decide the management system for that said urbanization. There are several management systems available for the Council to choose. For example there is the “cooperation system” in which all the owners are made responsible for the completion of the urbanization, having to pay for the infrastructure.

JN stated that the current management system for Camposol is not that one, but a “compensation system” in which an Urbanistic Entity is placed to pay for the maintenance costs only.

DF and GC stated that the Murcian councillor for urbanism has advised them to establish this compensation system and thus an Urbanistic Entity for Camposol, in order to solve many of our problems.

BE asked that if an Urbanistic Entity is not able to pay for the infrastructure, who will pay the shortfall if the compensation system is decided.

GC answered that in that case the Town Hall will year by year, little by little, pay for the infrastructure.

BE stated that would be a very long process.

GC answered that it is either a long process or the owners paying for it.

MAYORALTY OF EL SALADILLO

BO asked about the current lack of district mayoralty in El Saladillo.

GC stated that he has approached a person last Monday and that next Monday he will get an answer.

Due to another appointment of the Mayor, the meeting closed at 10:21 am.

Date of next meeting: 20^th February.

After the meeting, two requirements were registered at the Town Hall: Street lights for those streets that need it urgently; and demolition of the illegal compound next to B3.

Minutes of the meeting of the Central Liaison Committee with the Council held on Wednesday 19^th December 2012

Present

Ginés Campillo                    Mayor of Mazarrón

Francisco García                 Councillor for Urbanism

Juan Miguel Muñoz              Councillor for Services

José Navarro                               CRA Secretary

Jackie Drewe                               CRA Website & Membership Secretary

Sandy Allison                              CRA Treasurer

John Dawes                         CRA CLC member

Peter Pitt                                   CRA CLC member

Bridget Stuart                             CRA CLC member

Maite Gómez                               CRA CLC member

Apologies

Bob Owen                          CRA Chairman

Les Crook                               CRA Vice Chairman

Barrie Eveleigh                    CRA Press Secretary

Ernie Prior                         CRA CLC member

The meeting started at 9.02 am.

CRA/TOWN HALL

In our previous meeting the CRA CLC had the impression that the Council members were on the back foot, so in the name of the CRA, JN explained GC that our frustration should not be mistaken with aggression. Indeed, we are here with the aim of collaboration in order to solve Camposol’s problems, rather than blaming or confronting. In fact, one of our biggest frustrations is not to be allowed to collaborate with the Town Hall for the benefit of Camposolians. GC told us not to worry, that they were not on the back foot, and that they know it is not aggression. GC said he would be as frustrated as we are when we get any unanswered request.

ADOPTION/LIGHTS

GC stated they have already executed all the bonds for Camposol, and that they expect to receive them in 10 days. Therefore, they address Camposol’s problems soon.

JN and MG asked if the Town Hall is now responsible for the streetlights, as some streets need them urgently. GC said they will be very soon, and requested us to provide a priority list, so they can start with those streets.

CONFEDERACIÓN HIDROGRÁFICA

J.N. requested a dedicated meeting with the Council, and perhaps with someone from the Confederación Hidrográfica about the rambla situation.

GC agreed because the lawyer and the technicians were not able to attend today as they were in Murcia dealing with the Confederación Hidrográfica.

The meeting was agreed to be on 16th January.

GC also advised us to try to meet directly with the Confederación Hidrográfica. If we achieve to get a meeting with them, someone from the Town Hall will accompany us to support our views.

RE3

FG stated they have not received the project for legalization yet. They expect it to be presented after Christmas.

Despite of what was said in our previous meeting: “FG stated that if MASA fail to present the project, the Town Hall will compose a new one. The project would cost 5K€ and it will be paid by some remaining 150K€ from the A sector bonds.”, FG now say that they cannot use sector A bonds to pay for this project if Masa fail to pay it.

BRIDGE/RAMBLA CROSSING

GC stated that the bridge will be open in the middle of January, even if the work is not totally finished yet.

JN and MG asked about the reliability of that date, considering all other dates and deadlines we have been told before.

GC stated he cannot forsee any problems. In the case of the bridge,  it has been found that the original project for the existing bridge seems to not exist, because no details can be found in the Town Hall files nor in the Confederación Hidrográfica ones. GC thinks that there will be no more surprises regarding the bridge.

The CRA CLC complained about the state of the rambla crossing road.

FG stated they will look into it.

JN asked if some height barriers can be put in order to avoid lorries to use the rambla crossing road. FG stated it is not really worth it, as the bridge will be open very soon. They will try however to send the police more often.

C16 BROKEN SEWERS

JN and J Drewe asked for a solution for the problem of the sewers in C16,calle Quesada. Councillor David Fernández told one of the affected neighbours that Aqualia was already ordered to go and solve it.

GC noted down this request, stating he did not know about the problem, but that they will look into it.

RE3 ELECTRICAL HAZARD

JMM stated that as long as a house does not have Certificate of Habitation, the only action the Town Hall is legally able to do is to disconnect the electricity of the houses. This is why nothing has been done about it.

AQUALIA

GC stated the problem with Aqualia is twofold. First, they have to start billing us for the water, and second, they must repair the water system.

GC stated they have already reached an agreement with Aqualia about the billing, and that they are near to reach an agreement with Aqualia about the repairs.

GC stated Aqualia will start billing early next year.

ILLEGAL COMPOUND ON B

JN stated the CRA CLC already passed information about the illegal compound on B to the Council, asking for help in order to get that monstrosity finally demolished.

GC stated he remembers this problem but that he has no documentation about it.

JN stated we gave it to José Gómez.

GC asked us to give him the documentation, due to the health problems of councillor José Gómez.

POLLING STATION PETITION

GC stated they are currently composing a letter to the electoral authorities in order to establish a polling station on Camposol.

GARDEN WASTE BINS REQUEST

GC said we have to ask David about it.

Some technicalities about burning licenses were also discussed between JN and GC.

STREET SIGNS ON B

JN, SA and J Drewe asked for street signs to be put on sector B.

GC they will look into it.

JN asked if we should register the request or not.

GC stated it is always good to register a request, even if he has noted down it.

RENAMING OF SECTORS

JN explained that many Camposolians want to change the name of sector to other traditional names.

GC requested us to gather the opinion of our neighbours and make a request with the desired names.

LACK OF MAYORALTY IN EL SALADILLO

JN stated that in private conversations, Bob Owen was told by Kelly Ensor that she has resigned as Mayoress of El Saladillo.

GC stated that he received her resignation two days ago, and that a new Mayor of El Saladillo will be appointed after Christmas.

The meeting closed at 10.36 am.

Next meeting: 16^th January 2013, at 9 am.

After the meeting, a requirement was registered at the Town Hall: Street signs for sector B.

Minutes of the meeting of the Central Liaison Committee with the Council held on Wednesday 14^th November 2012

Present

Ginés Campillo                     Mayor of Mazarrón

Francisco García                   Councillor for Urbanism

Juan Miguel Muñoz              Councillor for Services

David Fernández                  Councillor for Citizens Participation and Environment

Raquel Ensor                          Mayoress of El Saladillo

Juan Carlos                             Town Hall Lawyer

Bob Owen                             CRA Chairman

Les Crook                              CRA Vice Chairman

José Navarro                         CRA Secretary

Sandy Allison                        CRA Treasurer

Barrie Eveleigh                     CRA Press Secretary

Ernie Prior                               CRA CLC member

Bridget Stuart                        CRA CLC member

Apologies

Jackie Drewe                            CRA Website & Membership Secretary

John Dawes                               CRA CLC member

Peter Pitt                                    CRA CLC member

The meeting started at 9.15 am.

MASA/TOWN HALL

GC stated they are evaluating the cost of the completion of Camposol, being that a necessary step previous to the execution of the BCD bonds. GC and FG stated it was around 9M€. This figure will cover all things needed for completion except the works needed to make the rambla situation acceptable for the Confederación Hidrográfica.

AQUALIA

The Town Hall has demanded Aqualia twice to bill us and to start the remedial work. Aqualia wants to start billing us only when the agreement for the remedial work is achieved, but GC said they have to start billing us now.

JN asked about the plan for smoothing our debt with Aqualia. GC stated we will pay one month the current bi-monthly bill, and the next month one of our unpaid bi-monthly bills.

CONFEDERACIÓN HIDROGRÁFICA

The Town Hall will meet next Friday 16^th November with the Confederación Hidrográfica. It seems it will be a crucial meeting. GC stated the Council is going to point out the good performance of the pipes under the rambla.

After some discussion, it was agreed we will ask again about the rambla issue after that meeting.

RE3

FG stated RE3 is not legal yet. We have to wait for a MASA’s project of legalization. FG said he knows the project is already composed, and that he has a meeting with MASA next week, when he will request them to submit this project again.

FG stated that if MASA fail to present the project, the Town Hall will compose a new one. The project would cost 5K€ and it will be paid by from the remaining 150K€ from the A sector bonds.

D32 EMBARGO

FG stated he has tried to reach an agreement with MASA, but that they say they are not going to collaborate on this issue. FG stated that as it is a matter between individuals, the Town Hall cannot oblige MASA to do anything about that.

BE asked why they are dealing with MASA, due to that attitude.

DF said the Council had the responsibility of trying to get an agreement with MASA in order to save the time the courts procedures will take us.

FG stated MASA was the one who offered the agreement in the first instance, and that they were willing to avoid the longer courts way.

FG stated that, even now that the agreement is broken, the door for an agreement will be still open if MASA offer a reasonable deal.

JC said the legal way will take us around 10 years. JC pointed out that there are solutions for the urbanistic problems of Camposol, but that the only way of achieving them is collaborating all together, the residents, the owners, and the Town Hall.

DF pointed out that we have to keep in mind MASA has also taken the Town Hall to the courts, and that therefore the agreement was not such a bad idea.

BE asked if a court action against MASA is going to take place or not.

GC and FG answered with a “yes, of course”.

BE asked then about the conflicting report from yesterday’s FG meeting with citizen Linda Biggs, in which it is said the Council is avoiding a court action.

FG clarified that he wanted to avoid it, but that for the moment there is no agreement and there will indeed be a court action against MASA.

GC and DF stated the official information is what we get here, at this meeting and urged us to read anybody’s report with a grain of salt.

RE and FG said Linda Biggs report was probably lost in translation.

RE3 ELECTRICAL HAZARD

BO stated there is an extremely dangerous situation on RE3 with regard to electricity cables trailing across roads, cable joints bodged up in plastic water bottles as insulation and live terminals exposed to the elements. Photos were supplied to the Mayor.

GC and JMM stated they will investigate and rectify this hazard urgently.

PHARMACY

GC stated he just got a phone call from the pharmacist so he can tell us the pharmacy will be open next Wednesday, 21^st of November.

CULTURAL CENTRE

BO stated that he was appointed by councillor José Gómez to manage the Cultural Centre. Mr Gómez also gave him rules for doing it. Mr Gómez took the decision to remove three groups from the centre because he believed they were charging fees while using free Council facilities. Recently, councillor Andrés Valera seems to disagree with that decision, at least regarding Murcia Dance group but Mr Gómez still does not allow us to give this group a key and a slot in the timetable.  BO produced an email instruction from JG forbidding him from giving keys to the Murcia dance group.

BO stated this situation of conflicting decisions and communication between councillors had put him in the firing line with disgruntled supporters of

Murcia dance. The council had not communicated with him at all and he had been subjected to slander and libellous attacks and offensive emails from their supporters. By their actions they had put him in an unfair situation and that some people were getting the impression that the CRA is not helping the children of Camposol. He further stated that he laid the blame for this firmly at the councils door as they had failed to rectify the dispute between councillors.

DF stated Murcia Dance were advised to be designated as a sports association in order to use the sports schools of Mazarrón, but that they refused to do it.

GC stated he didn’t know about Mr Valera’s decision and that they have to take a legal decision about that in a government meeting. The decision could not be made by one councillor in isolation.

After the insistence of the CRA committee, GC stated they will approve a way for them to use it in the next government meeting to be held tomorrow.

GC stated that Murcia Dance group can sign an agreement with the Council from next Friday on. From that moment they will be able to show us the agreement and use the Cultural Centre.

DF stated the charities will not be charged, but that other groups will be charged and that the price will be decided tomorrow.

GC stated that each group that intend to charge fees for using the Council facilities will be able to try to reach a similar agreement with the Council.

BO stated that citizen Greg Green claims to have a letter from Mr Valera stating Murcia Dance has already permission to use the Centre.

RE answered that she was there translating for that meeting, and that no letter was given to Mr Green.

It was agreed that municipal worker Tatiana Andrés will manage the timetable with the help of EP.

GC asked in jest if this is really one of the biggest problems of Camposol.

JN answered that GC will be surprised to know the amount of comments and animosity on the internet about this issue, and that of course the CRA consider it  important enough because it involves activities for the children and the good use of our Cultural Centre.

BRIDGE REPAIR

GC stated they couldn’t get the bridge repaired due to the rain season.

GC stated that if there is no more rain, the rambla crossing road will be finished next Tuesday. It will not be tarmaced as reported by Linda .FG said it was the translation. It would be sprayed with tar and grit.

BO asked for the lights on C sector to be switched on as the crossing is potentially dangerous for pedestrians at night.

JMM stated it is not easy, but that they are already working on it.

POLLING STATION

BO stated we have a petition signed by 1058 citizens for the Cultural Centre to be designated as a polling station for future elections. GC stated that he will ask for it to the electoral authorities, given that we register our petition.

BURNING PITS

DF stated Sector D community group cannot burn garden waste so near to the houses, and that he will not allow it, threatening with a big fine if anyone is caught setting the pits on fire.

JN claimed it is  legal and that Sector D Community Group had already permission from the Town Hall before. DF said the rules have changed and that he is in charge now. JN answered this is a very popular facility in D sector and that the measure is going to be considered as repressive. JN also stated that we wouldn’t need the burning pits if we had garden waste bins on D sector. DF urged us to register a requirement for it.

The meeting closed at 11.05 pm. The CRA had some other issues to deal with, but GC had another appointment.

Next meeting: 19^th December 2012, from 9 am to 11 am.

After the meeting, two requirements were registered at the Town Hall: First, the designation of the Cultural Centre as a Polling Station. Second, garden waste bins for sectors C and D.

Footnote from the Chairman.

This was a difficult meeting as the Mayor and councillors were of the impression that we were aggressive in our approach. My attack on their totally unacceptable mishandling of the Cultural Centre situation and our questioning of the conflicting reports being given by different councillors put them on the back foot. They mistake frustration with aggression. For the December meeting  I will be on holiday so Jose will lead the negotiations and explain to them the frustration of the committee and all residents in resolving Camposols problems. We are not blaming them for past mistakes but we do expect them to work with us on the solutions.

Actas de la reunión del comité directivo con el Ayuntamiento, tenida el 17 de octubre de 2012.

Presentes

Ginés Campillo, Alcalde de Mazarrón

Francisco García, Concejal de Urbanismo

Raquel Ensor, Alcaldesa de El Saladillo

Bob Owen, Presidente de la CRA

Les Crook, Vicepresidente de la CRA

José Navarro, Secretario de la CRA

Sandy Allison, Tesorera de la CRA

Barrie Eveleigh, Secretario de prensa de la CRA

John Daws, miembro del comité directivo de la CRA

Bridget Stuart, miembro del comité directivo de la CRA

Ausentes

Jackie Drewe, Secretaria de membresía y página web

Peter Pitt, miembro del comité directivo de la CRA

Ernie Prior, miembro del comité directivo de la CRA

La reunión comenzó a las 10:19.

Ayuntamiento, Masa y Aqualia:

BO le pidió a GC que nos informara acerca de los acontecimientos recientes relacionados con Camposol, Masa y el Ayuntamiento.

GC declaró que el acuerdo que el Ayuntamiento tenía con Masa acababa este lunes pasado. Masa entonces pidió una prórroga de tres meses, pero el Ayuntamiento les ha concedido finalmente una prórroga de un mes antes de la recepción total de Camposol.

GC declaró que habían liberado para Masa parte del aval bancario correspondiente al sector A, debido a la finalización del mismo, como estipula la ley. De todas formas, ayer dieron orden de ejecutar los avales bancarios del resto de sectores.

GC declaró que hoy notificarán a Aqualia que el Ayuntamiento va a hacerse cargo de la red de agua y alcantarillado en Camposol. El coste de reparación de la actual red está estimado en 2M€. GC y FG declararon que ese dinero será pagado con los avales de Masa.

JN apuntó que obra en poder de la CRA un informe oficial del tesorero del Ayuntamiento en el que se refleja que los avales de Masa sólo alcanzan la cifra de 1300K€, haciendo que 2M€ sea excesivo.

GC respondió que hay dos tipos de avales: unos para las viviendas (1300K€) y otro para la infraestructura (1600K€), arrojando un total de 1925K€. El informe por tanto estaría recogiendo sólo un tipo de avales. El Ayuntamiento cree poder reclamar ambos tipos de aval simultáneamente.

BE apuntó que, de acuerdo con su experiencia como constructor en el Reino Unido, el presupuesto para finalizar las carreteras de todo Camposol excederá los 4M€. ¿Cómo pretende el Ayuntamiento obtener el dinero necesario para finalizar Camposol?

GC respondió que lo harán poco a poco, con partidas de los presupuestos de cada año; obtenidas éstas con los impuestos de los ciudadanos de Mazarrón y el dinero de las Administraciones Central y Autonómica.

GC confirmó que no habrá más tipos de impuestos más allá del IBI.

Se le preguntó a FG acerca de su promesa electoral de invertir el 40% del IBI de Camposol en Camposol.

FG respondió que aquella promesa se hizo con la perspectiva de que el PSOE gobernara Mazarrón en solitario, y que ahora requeriría el acuerdo con los otros partidos.

JN preguntó entonces si debemos entender que existe oposición a esta idea en el seno del Equipo de Gobierno.

FG respondió que no hay oposición a esta idea, pero que de hecho el actual estado financiero del Ayuntamiento de Mazarrón hace esta idea inviable. GC y FG se quejaron de que habían tenido que pagar muchas deudas contraídas por el Gobierno de Blaya cuando llegaron al Ayuntamiento. GC y GF declararon que Francisco Blaya debió haber gastado en Camposol el dinero de la venta de  algunos terrenos de Camposol. De todas formas, FG espera poder aplicar esta promesa electoral en el futuro.

GC también quiso que reconociéramos que los habitantes de la urbanización Bahía no habían mejorado su situación en los últimos 50 años.

Acerca de las facturas del agua, GC acordó en establecer un sistema para que nuestras facturas impagadas de Aqualia no nos fueran mandadas todas de golpe.

Comunicación entre el Ayuntamiento y la CRA:

BO elevó la cuestión de la falta de comunicación efectiva entre el Ayuntamiento y los ciudadanos de Camposol.

Se acordó en establecer reuniones periódicas mensuales o bimensuales para mantener informados a los habitantes de Camposol a través de la CRA.

El puente:

GC declaró que el contrato para  la reparación del puente será firmado mañana. Por lo tanto, el puente deberá estar operativo para el día 19 de noviembre. También declaró que el puente será pagado por el Ayuntamiento, y no por la Confederación Hidrográfica. El coste de reparación del puente será 300K€.

Algunos miembros de la CRA comentaron al Alcalde acerca de que algunas personas cruzan el puente en coche. GC respondió que estaba al corriente de esa situación.

GC declaró que cuando los trabajadores llegasen al puente no se iba  a poder pasar ni andadno, de forma que los operarios abrirán primero el camino que vadea la rambla, y después irán a reparar el puente.

Acceso por la RM-315:

JN preguntó acerca de la apertura del camino que comunica el polígono D11 con la RM-315, tal y como se había discutido en el último CPC.

GC nos dijo que por el momento prefería invertir su tiempo y su energía en reparar el puente y el camino que vadea la rambla, antes que perder tiempo o energía en los accesos por la RM-315.

JN preguntó si realmente teníamos que elegir, y si no se podían hacer ambas cosas al mismo tiempo.

GC respondió que su tiempo y su energía eran limitados, y que el camino D11- RM315 podría ser abierto cuando el Ayuntamiento finalice el registro de vías públicas. GC dijo no entender el por qué de la insistencia sobre la apertura de dicho camino. JN respondió que eso era porque él no conducía dos veces al día por el peligroso camino que une el polígono D7 con la RM-315. GC concluyó que de todas formas esta situación no durará demasiado.

Transporte:

BO preguntó si el Ayuntamiento puede otorgar licencias para que opere un minibús en Camposol.

GC declaró que a ellos no les compete, sino a la Oficina Regional de Transporte Público. También declaró que actualmente el Ayuntamiento de Mazarrón no puede subvencionar ninguna solución de transporte para Camposol.

Centro Cultural:

BO preguntó si el Centro Cultural podría ser designado como local electoral para las siguientes elecciones.

GC respondió que eso era decisión de la Junta Electoral de Murcia y del Gobierno de España. GC nos recomendó que recogiéramos firmas con este fin y ellos se encargarían de hacerlas llegar a los organismos adecuados.

BO preguntó si el Centro Cultural puede ser usado por actividades lucrativas.

GC y FG declararon que no se puede recibir pago económico alguno sise están utilizando las instalaciones municipales.

JN sugirió que podría implementarse un sistema de precios públicos, tal y como se hace, por ejemplo, con las licencias de los mercadillos semanales.

GC y FG respondieron que intentarán hacerlo, pero que deberían cambiar muchas cosas desde el Ayuntamiento para posibilitar ese sistema.

Rambla:

FG anunció que la Confederación Hidrográfica no les había dado todavía ninguna alternativa para la situación de la rambla de los Aznares, y que la CHS no miraba su propuesta actual con muy buenos ojos.

BO declaró que la CHS debería reconocer que el actual encauzamiento de la rambla había funcionado bien en la última tormenta, siendo ésta una de las mayores de los últimos años.

FG reconoció que era un buen argumento para intentar que la CHS firmara por fin el Plan Parcial.

BO declaró que el encauzamiento funcionó bien debido a que el Grupo Comunitario del Sector D gasta su dinero todos los años para limpiar el acceso a las tuberías con una miniexcavadora.

D32:

BS preguntó si había alguna noticia acerca del embargo cobre el polígono D32.

FG anunció que recibirán toda la documentación sobre el caso la semana próxima, y que Tatiana Andrés se encargará de distribuir esta información.

Una pregunta del Alcalde:

Finalmente, GC preguntó acerca de las fosas para las quemas del Sector D.

JN explicó a GC cómo el Grupo Comunitario del Sector D gestiona este servicio, cómo obtuvieron permiso verbal de Francisco Blaya para excavar dichas fosas,  y cómo adquieren, de acuerdo con la normas, permiso de los forestales para quemar los restos de poda.

La reunión concluyó a las 11:32.

Próxima reunión: 14 de noviembre de 2012, 9:00.

Minutes of the meeting of the Central Liaison Committee with the Council held on Wednesday 17^th October 2012

Present

Ginés Campillo            Mayor of Mazarrón

Francisco García          Councillor for Urbanism

Raquel Ensor                         Mayoress of El Saladillo

Bob Owen                     CRA Chairman

Les Crook                     CRA Vice Chairman

José Navarro                          CRA Secretary

Sandy Allison              CRA Treasurer

Barrie Eveleigh            CRA Press Secretary

John Dawes                            CRA CLC member

Bridget Stuart              CRA CLC member

Apologies

Jackie Drewe                CRA Website & Membership Secretary

Peter Pitt                       CRA CLC member

Ernie Prior                   CRA CLC member

The meeting started at 10.19 pm.

Town Hall/Masa/Aqualia issues:

BO asked GC to report us about the recent events regarding Camposol, Masa, and the Town Hall.

GC stated that the agreement they had with MASA ended last Monday. Then Masa asked for another three months. The Town Hall answered they are going to be granted with one month more before the total adoption of Camposol. GC stated they released part of the “A” bond to Masa due to the completion of Sector A, as it is the law. Anyway, yesterday they had legally asked for the bonds of BCD to be executed. GC also stated that they will notify Aqualia today that they will have to take over the water and sewerage infrastructure of Camposol. The cost of this water system to be amended is estimated in 2M€. GC and FG stated that Masa’s bonds are going to pay that.

JN stated that the CRA had an official report from the Town Hall treasurer stating that Masa’s bonds are up to 1300K€, making 2M€ too much for the bonds.

GC stated that there are two kind of bonds. 1300K€ for the estates, and 1600K€ for the infrastructure, making a total of 2925K€. The former report was counting only on one side of the bonds, but the Council think they can claim both simultaneously.

BE stated that, according to his experience in the UK construction industry, the budget needed for finishing the roads of all Camposol would exceed 4M€. How does the Town Hall intend to raise the money needed for completing Camposol?

GC stated that they will do it little by little, with accounts from the annual general budget of the Town Hall, raised with the taxes of the citizens and the money from Regional and Spanish government.

GC confirmed there is no such a thing as a Council Tax. Only IBI.

FG was asked about his promise of spending 40% of Camposolians IBI on Camposol.

FG stated that the promise was made  in case PSOE were governing Mazarrón alone, and that they would need the agreement of the other parties.

JN asked if we have to assume there is some opposition to this idea in the other parties of the Government Team.

FG stated that there is no opposition, but that in fact nowadays due to the financial status of the Town Hall, it is impossible for them to apply this idea. GC and FG claimed they had to pay many of Blaya’s government debts when they got the Governement of Mazarrón. GC and FG stated Blaya should spent the money received from selling some Camposol plots on Camposol. Anyway, FG hope they will be able to apply this promise in the future.

GC also stated we have to acknowledge that Bahía’s citizens haven’t improved their situation in the last 50 years.

Regarding water bills, GC agreed to establish a system to have our unpaid Aqualia bills sent to us little by little.

CRA/Town Hall communication:

BO raised the question about the lack of effective communication between the Town Hall and Camposol.

It was agreed that a monthly or bi-monthly meeting will be appointed directly with him in order to keep Camposol citizens informed trough the CRA.

The bridge:

GC stated that the contract for the bridge will be signed tomorrow. Therefore, the bridge should be repaired by 19^th of November. Also that the bridge will be paid by the Town Hall, not by the Confederación Hidrográfica. The bridge will cost 300K€

Several statements were made by CRA members about people crossing the bridge. GC answered he already know the situation about it.

GC stated when the workmen will arrive to the bridge, nobody will be able to cross, not even walking. Therefore, the workmen will open first the road of the bed of the rambla, and then will go to repair the bridge.

The back access road:

JN asked about the progress on the D11-RM315 road, as a result of the last week’s CPC.

GC told us that they prefer to spend their energy and their time to repair the bridge and to allow a road trough the bed of the rambla, rather than wasting any time or energy in the back access roads for the moment.

JN asked if we really have to choose between one action and the other, and why it cannot be done simultaneously.

GC answered that their energy and their time is limited and that the D11-RM315 road may be opened when the Town Hall finishes to make the registry of all public roads of Mazarrón. GC stated he cannot understand the insistence on this road. JN answered that is because he does not drive twice daily over the dangerous D7-RM315 road. GC answered that this situation will not last for too long.

Transport:

BO asked if the Town Hall can grant the licences for a minibus company to operate in Camposol.

GC stated that they are not in charge of this, but the Regional Public Transport office. GC also stated that nowadays  they cannot subsidize any transport solution for Camposol.

Cultural Centre:

BO asked if the Cultural Centre can be used as a polling station at the next elections.

GC stated this is for the Spanish Government and the Regional electoral office to decide. GC told us that it would be helpful to collect signed petitions about it. The Council will then send them to the proper bodies.

BO also asked if the Cultural Centre can be used for commercial purposes.

GC and FG stated that no charges can be asked if they are using public premises.

JN suggested the Town Hall to establish public prices on the use of the Cultural Centre for commercial purposes, as they do with the street market.

GC and FG stated they can look into it, but that the Council would have to change many things for that to happen.

Rambla:

FG stated the Confederación Hidrográfica hasn’t give them any alternative for the rambla, and that the CH doe not agree very much with the already proposed solution by the Town Hall.

BO stated that the CH should acknowledge that the current pipes under sector D worked very well in the last storm (one of the biggest storms in many years).

FG recognised this is good ammunition for them to force the CH to sign the Plan Parcial.

BO stated that the pipes worked well thanks to the efforts of Sector D Community Group, that spend their money to clear the pipes yearly with a JCB.

D32:

BS asked about any news regarding the D32 embargo.

FG stated that they will receive all the documents next week, and that Tatiana will have to make this information available.

A question from the Mayor:

Finally, GC asked the CRA about the burning pits of D.

JN explained GC how the Sector D Community Group manage this service, how they got verbal permission from Francisco Blaya to dig the pits, and how they acquire forestry licenses to burn the garden waste according to the rules.

The meeting closed at 11.32 pm.

Next meeting: 14^th November 2012, 9 am.

Minutes of the meeting of the Central Liaison Committee with Councillor José Gómez held on Wednesday 18th July 2012

Present

José Gómez                   Councillor for Foreign Residents

Tatiana Andrés   Municipal worker in the Town Hall Office in Camposol

Bob Owen           CRA Chairman

Les Crook           CRA Vice Chairman

José Navarro                CRA Secretary

Sandy Allison     CRA Treasurer

Jackie Drewe                CRA Website & Membership Secretary

John Dawes                  CRA CLC member

Peter Pitt                       CRA CLC member

Ernie Prior                   CRA CLC member

Bridget Stuart     CRA CLC member

Apologies

Barrie Eveleigh  CRA Press Secretary

The meeting started at 5.00 pm.

BO opened the meeting by welcoming JG and TA, thanking them for the meeting. BO also told JG that we have sent him a translation made by JN of the questions that were going to be made in the meeting.

JG stated it is not really necessary to give him the questions previously. He stated that he will answer if he can, and if he cannot, he won’t.

JN asked: “If the bonds are going to be enough to cover the costs of completing Camposol, why doesn’t the Council dismiss MASA and do the completion by itself?”

JG answered that there is certainly enough money in the bonds to complete Camposol, but that there were two ways: The legal way, in which the Town Hall claims the bonds and do all the job; and the mutual agreement way, in which MASA do the job with the same money. The main problem of the legal way is that MASA can appeal against it, and that Spanish courts deadlines are so long winded.  It could be 8 or 9 years to complete the legal  process.

JN asked: “In the 21st of March CPC, you told us that the budget for A was 152K€, leaving 448K€ from the bonds available for BCD. But in our last meeting (16th May 2012) you told us there was “around 160K€” for BCD instead. You also told us in March that the bond for B was 300K€. But in our last meeting (16th May 2012) you told us it is 700K€. What is happening with these figures? What is the real situation?”

JG answered that the exact figure for sector B is unknown yet. Each house has its portion of bonds, and it has to be the sum of all properties of B that will give us the figure. JG told us, however, that he know the figure for the total BCD.

About the 160K€ figure of sector A, JG told us it is an amount kept for amendments sector A may need in the future. If not needed, They will pass onto the sector B budget.

J Drewe asked: “Has a procedure yet been established for those without water meters? We have over 200 members who are worried that their water may be cut off.”

JG told us our members shouldn’t worry. There will be no cutting offs. The Town Hall is currently in negotiations with Aqualia. They have already agreed that there will be no cut offs in the adjustment process.

JG also told us that there is not a procedure established yet. The contract between MASA and Aqualia was a very tricky one, and they are still struggling to get out of the legal nightmare it has caused.

J Dawes stated that Aquaila have claimed that people without water meters will be charged with a big amount of money due to the water “stolen” in the past years.

JG told us at the end it will be the Council’s will, and not Aqualia’s, and to  pay no attention to whatever Aqualia say to the citizens at their office, but to pay attention to what the Town Hall tells them.

JN asked: “Can you give the latest information regarding the invoicing of water/basura charges.”

JG told us there are people that get no charges for some months now. This is nothing to worry about, as it is part of the adjustment process and part of the negotiations. Nobody needs to go to gestorías or plumbers and get charged 180€ only to find it was not necessery.

Nobody will be charged until the agreement is signed.

LC asked “Why are there people from Aqualia going around reading meters?”

JG stated this can be for two reasons: First, as a sign the agreement is near and they are preparing the invoices. Otherwise, as a measure of how many will they have to charge the Town Hall if the Council finally dismiss Aqualia.

BO asked: “As most residents on B,C & D do not have a certificate of habitation will Aqualia invoice residents directly or will the invoice come from the Town Hall.”

JG told us Aqualia will invoice the residents directly, as an outcome of the current negotiations.

J Drewe asked: “Will owners be able to report water leaks direct to Agualia?”

JG told us that yes, of course, but at the end of the process. Aqualia will even have an office in the cultural centre to attend to the citizens.

LC asked: “What about leaks out of office hours, then?”

JG stated in that case the CRA can contact him directly, and he will manage it with Aqualia.

JG told us it is useless to call Aqualia directly, as they direct your call to the Madrid offices, and they claim Camposol is not their problem.

J Drewe asked: “There have been many leaks on Sector B over the last year, most of these appear to have been repaired but then burst again. Bearing in mind the damage to the road/bridge due to these leaks, is there a plan to investigate further with the view of remedial work?”

JG stated that Aqualia is committed to get to the bottom of the problem. In fact, Aqualia have agreed to spend 2500K€ in order to fix the entire Camposol water supply. Aqualia has a vested interest in this project, as this will grant them more years in a contract with the Mazarrón Town Hall.

EP asked: “After a leak has been repaired, the paving blocks are not relayed. This is particularly hazardous to those with mobility problems and pedestrians walking at night. Is there another department within Aqualia that handles this final stage of the repair? We have photographic evidence showing the terrible state that Aqualia leave the roads/pavements after leak repairs. Can pressure be put on them to carry out repairs more promptly?”

JG assured us that it is Aqualia who have to repair the pavements and the roads after a water leak. As Aqualia and the Town Hall are under negotiations, Aqualia does not want to invest more money on Camposol until they finally sign the agreement, because the Town Hall could give the contract to another company.

EP asked: “Will it be before or after an accident occurs?”

JG assured us the Town Hall is very dissatisfied with Aqualia due to this, and that he calls them on a daily basis trying to get them here to fix problems.

LC added that the good work of the many volunteers groups of Camposol gets spoiled when Aqualia comes and leaves pavement like a bomb has hit them.

JG told us he will take the photographic evidence to the Mayor and to Aqualia tomorrow (19^th July) and that he will inform to TA about the outcome.

J Drewe asked: “Can you update us on the bridge repairs?”

JG told us there is already a serious project for repairing the bridge to a better-than-ever state. He stated that the works will begin in about two weeks. The project includes retaining walls. JG stated the Town Hall is committed to never leting something like this happen again.

EP asked: “Cannot the barriers be put with a sandbag or something to avoid them falling off over and over again?

JG stated this is the job of the Local Police, and that he will request them to do so.

JN asked: “Due to the state of the bridge and its problems, we ask for the access to Camposol from the road C-3315 to be open ASAP, as it is in the plan parcial.”

JG told us this is nearly impossible. MASA is the one who should do it, and most certainly they are not going to do it. Nevertheless, JG will talk with the Town Hall about this requesting a feasible solution.

J Drewe asked: “Can the use of  illegal vehicles being operated by some local building companies be reported as a standard traffic offence and not one that needs a denuncia? The business concerned has threatened so many residents that people are frightened of being identified.”

JG stated he went personally on this subject with the local Police, and they reported him several times haven’t found anything illegal.

After the insistence of the committee with some statements about those hardly believable reports, JG stated he will try with the Guardia Civil.

JG requested us again some photographic evidence for him to show, as the former is on the files of the Local Police.

EP asked: “At the last meeting with you, you were asked that seeing the council have now taken over A sector, would Camposol be seeing a better Police presence. Your reply was that the council had a disagreement with the Policia Local and they were on a work to rule. Is the dispute now over?”

JG answered that the situation is more or less the same, that all is based on economic claims, but that eventually they will have to accept the new economical situation of the Municipality.

PP asked: “A demolition order was placed on the structure on the perimeter road of B, and the Mayor told us in January that it would be enforced. 6 months have passed and no action has been taken. We ask for a prompt demolition.”

JG stated that, as far as he knows, there is not a demolition ordered by the courts, but a fine. We have to wait for the order from the courts, from a judge.

It was agreed that BO will send JG a copy of the denuncia made three years ago about this yard.

SA asked: “At the last meeting you said that the Council would be meeting

with Justo Quesda to talk about the work on BCD. What was the outcome of this meeting?”

JG stated that nothing really came out from that meeting, except the arrangement of another  meeting with Daniel Bascuñana and Justo Antonio Quesada (Justo’s son). In that meeting they were working on an agreement for the release of the bonds of BCD. The main point of the Town Hall is that, if they do not get the bonds, they will could be used to repay MASA’s creditors.

BO thanked JG and TA again for their time.

JG finally stated that they are at our service, and that it is their duty to come to these meetings.

There being no further business the meeting closed at 6.16 pm.

Camposol Residents Association

Minutes of the meeting of the Central Liaison Committee with Councillor José Gómez held on Wednesday 16th May 2012

Present

José Gómez                 Councillor for Foreign Residents

Tatiana Andrés         Municipal worker in the Town Hall Office in Camposol

Bob Owen                    CRA Chairman

José Navarro            CRA Secretary

Sandy Allison           CRA Treasurer

Jackie Drewe            CRA Website/Membership Secretary

Barrie Eveleigh        CRA Press Secretary

John Dawes               CRA CLC member

Peter Pitt                    CRA CLC member

Ernie Prior                 CRA CLC member

Apologies

Les Crook                    CRA Vice Chairman

The meeting started at 5.35 pm.

BO opened the meeting by welcoming JG and TA, thanking them for the meeting.

BO also stated that the main point of the meeting was to solve the existing communication problem between the Council and the Camposol residents, and that our previous attempts to establish a reliable communication way had not been successful.

JG stated that there is not much to report, except that sector A has been already adopted by the council and that they are working towards the adoption of B.  JG stated that he is willing to share all his information with the CRA and with all camposolians. JG advised that we have to ask for information, because we cannot expect the Town Hall to communicate every bit of information about Camposol as they arise. Moreover, JG said that the Council is negotiating with MASA, and that we cannot get much detail about the discussions, as they have to be discreet.
BO asked about the situation of the car park markings in the entrances to B commercial centre.

JG answered that as soon as the workers start on B, it all will be resolved.
JG explained the agreement of the process which is being followed for sector A and that they want to apply for BCD as well:

In the first stage, municipal technicians and engineers make a report on what is needed for completion.

Second, this report is sent to MASA by the Town Hall, with an order to accomplish it.

Third, MASA contractors make a budget and send it to MASA and the Town Hall for approval.

Fourth, contractors do their job.

Fifth, technicians and engineers come to verify the work done.

Sixth, the Council release the budgeted (and only the budgeted) amount for the works from the bank bonds to MASA.

Finally, MASA pay to their contractors.

JN asked if the point of releasing only the budgeted amount is legal.

JG answered that it is.

JN asked why MASA will pledge to this scheme.

JG answered they will because they have further interests in Mazarrón, and that they will not be allowed to build on their plots of land otherwise.

SA asked what happens if MASA do not pay their contractors.

JG told us that in that case it is not a problem for the Town Hall, it is only between MASA and the contractors.

SA asked what if the contractors then do not show up in BCD.

JG told us that in that case the Council will end the agreement and will keep the rest of the bonds.

JG stated their intention with that agreement is to spend the bonds entirely in Camposol, and not in the pockets of MASA. Also that there is a bond of about 700K€ for B sector, plus a remaining 160K€ from the bond of A.
BE pointed out that A’s roads are not completed.

JG answered that they will asphalt paving A and B at the same time, due to the high price of bringing the machinery here.

BE pointed out his concerns about A being adopted while unfinished.

JG urged us to worry not.

Asked by SA, JG told us that MASA will receive the A bonds minus the remaining 160K€ next week. He told us that also next week Justo Quesada (the Boss, as he called him) will come to meet the council for the negotiation of the agreement for BCD.
PP asked if the news about a debt in the Mazarrón Town Hall of 32M€ were true.

JG answered positively. He claimed then that the current Government Team have reduced that debt by 3M€ in 10 months.

JG stated that they have reached an agreement with Aqualia in which Aqualia commits itself to repair all the water infrastructure in order to keep all the contracts for Camposol.

JG stated that there are 2800 households paying the rubbish bill to MASA instead of the Town Hall, and that they need to put an end to it.

J Drewe informed JG that we have a list of members with no water meter in order to keep them informed of the issue.

JG assured us that we will be informed by himself.
BO asked about the road train.

JG seemed concerned about it and stated that he is struggling to get it as soon as possible and that it will be here eventually.

BO asked about the rambla issue.

JG stated there is no conclusion yet, but that agreements are under way.

About the turístico issue, JG stated that they are working on it, that they will eventually solve the situation. They will designate other areas to be built on as turístico so releasing the current homes classified as such to be re designated.

PP asked about the legality of having a Night Club in a residential area, as some enquiries seem to point there is one to be opened soon.

JG stated that they do not know the nature of that business at the moment, but they will always check the legality and will ask for reports from municipal technicians.

SA asked for more recycle bins, especially in sectors C and D.

JG answered that the Town Hall of Mazarrón is poor. Nevertheless, he remembered there are 300 new green bins for the whole of Mazarrón, and he will ask for some of them to be put in Camposol.

EP asked about increasing police patrols now that sector A is finally adopted.

JG answered that there is currently a “war” under way with the local police, and that they cannot promise us anything until the situation is resolved.

JG finally stated that everything that is going on in the Town Hall regarding Camposol will go through him, that he is the councillor with highest responsibility for Camposol, and the voice of camposolians at the Town Hall. He also offered  to have monthly meetings with him in order to avoid the communication problems suffered in the past.

There being no further business the meeting closed at 6.56 pm.

Citizen Participation Council of 21st March 2012.

Précis notes by José Navarro.

Attending in the Top Table:

David Fernández, Councillor for Citizen Participation and Environment.

José Gómez, Councillor for Foreign Residents.

Tatiana Andrés, Municipal worker in the Town Hall Office in Camposol.

Attending in the public:

Around 30 people, including from the CRA CLC:

Bob Owen, Chairman.

Les Crook, Vice-Chairman.

Barrie Eveleigh, Press Secretary.

John Dawes, CLC member.

José Navarro, CLC member.

Ernie Prior, CLC member.

The meeting started with the following statements by DF:

They are currently working closely with Aqualia in Camposol.

Local police is going to control the people camping in the hot springs

The Town Hall has created a roll of volunteers for the different charities of Mazarrón.

This summer the train will be up and running, and the bus timetable improved.

They are facing some legal and technical problems in the adoption of Camposol, but all goes in its way.

Then JG stated:

According with a meeting he had with Francisco García, Urbanism Councillor, they hope Habitation Certificates to be for all Sector A houses in April or May.

Habitation Certificates for all houses on BCD between July and September.

Modification of Plan General this year, and if there are no more bad news, all houses will have a deed before the end of 2012.

For adoption of sector A only remains the agreement of Iberdrola regarding the quality of street-lights and installation of meters.

There are already electricians working on sector B.

Next week technicians of the Town Hall are going to sector B to evaluate the infrastructure and begin to make a budget.

Then there was a round of Q and A:

When asked about Re3 deeds, JG promised that Re3 houses will have deeds before the end of this year.

When asked, JG told us that the in gardens of sector A that have been cleaned will be planted pines in the future. Not palms, because of the red palm weevil.

When asked about processionary caterpillars, DF said that if we point out in the Office that there are processionary caterpillars on the pines, the workers of the Town Hall will come here to get rid of them.

When asked about D32, and the problems derived from its embargo, DF said they were no lawyers and urged every owner of D32 to acquire information via an appointment with the Town Hall lawyer, Juan Carlos.

JN suggested that the lawyer can, instead of meetings, make a writing with the information to be distributed to all D32 owners.

That was agreed, but DF pointed out that this will be only an informative sheet, and that the Town Hall lawyer cannot supply a solution for  a problem that is only between MASA and the owners of D32, as it is the embargo.

When asked about the rambla issue, JG stated the technicians of the Town Hall are reaching some degree of agreement regarding the rambla.

BO stated that the Mayor told the CRA last January that a solution for the rambla was definitely agreed, in the form of a reservoir.

BO also pointed out the dissatisfaction about receiving conflicting reports from different councillors.

DF stated that if Ginés Campillo, the Mayor, said it was already agreed, then it was agreed. But that they just do not know. DF told us they do not know what would be the final solution for this, but they wanted to assure that a solution indeed exists and is going to be executed soon.

JG then stated that the problem is not only the rambla, but also the drainage of the area.

DF stated that MASA was told in the beginning there was no rambla on there by Confederación Hidrográfica, but later the same Confederación said it was indeed a rambla, because somebody put a denuncia against MASA claiming it was a rambla.

BE asked if the correct order of events is 1st: Confederación Hidrográfica agreement. 2nd: execution of the agreement. 3rd: Change of Plan General. 4th: Change of Plan Parcial. 5th: Deed allowance.

The answer was “yes”.

B.E. asked if they are sure all this is going to be done before the end of 2012.

The answer was “yes”.

When asked who is going to pay for the rambla solution. The answer was “not the neighbours”. “It would be MASA, the Town Hall, or some other Public Administration”.

JG stated the works on sector A are paid by MASA’s bank bonds, whose total is 3360K€. He stated that, for sector A, they have 600K€ in a bond, whereas the budget was only 152K€, leaving 448K€ available to be added to the 300K€ bond of sector B. He stated that if they do not spend that 748K€ on sector B, the rest would pass to the 2460K€ of the bond for C and D.

In a later talk with JN, JG stated that they already have a budget for asphalt paving all C sector for only 400K€.

BE stated that there were statements from the former local government about the budget for infrastructure of Camposol of 16M€

DF said one cannot rely on the words of Mr Blaya or his team.

JN asked that that 16M€ figure it is surely from some technician’s report, or if it was directly invented by Francisco Blaya.

DF answered it was invented by Blaya, in order to some dishonest business. DF mixed the entity (?) in the talk about infrastructure costs in his speech against Blaya. He stated that Mr Blaya had personal interests in a fight against MASA.

When asked, TA agreed to make available some information about blue cards and tax reductions for disabled people, and a translation about the local rule regarding dangerous dogs.

Being around 18:30, the time went out for DF, and the meeting finished.

The next Citizen Participation Council is appointed on 23rd May, at 5pm.